Way to go, Tivo! I knew I could count on you to bring this 2 years too late, and saddled with restrictions. Thanks for finally bringing out more restrictive functionality from what I have done on Sling for years now. You are making it quite hard for me to continue to support your platform when you clearly don’t care about what your customers want. Do you really think I am going to use my rooted phone to offload a copy of a show I can torrent faster???
Amazon store, really? Wow I figured my HDX would be left out in the cold again. This is awesome news. Can’t wait to try it out tonight.
@Dave Zatz,
Will the DIAL screen mirroring you report that works with Chromecast also cast and mirror to a Roamio, since that also has DIAL support built in? Reason I ask is because I’d like to put a TiVo Stream on my Premiere XL that I have thousands of miles away outside Philly at my parents house and it would be quite cool if I could stream (and eventually download) to a tablet here and then cast it over to my local Roamio. Of course it would be better if this feature worked in iOS, for my situation.
While Android is streaming-only at launch, VP Margret Schmidt indicates downloads are on the roadmap!
HarperVision, No. Even tho these things may use some of the same protocols, it’s all custom integration.
@Rob,
Do you REALLY think TiVo or any company is going to support rooted phones? And TiVo is NOT a person but if it were they would tell you that you can’t make every customer happy.
Well said Bryan. Rob is not the target customer here and TiVo is dealing with legal issues – particulary as it relates to their MSO business – that Sling had the luxury of ignoring.
They made it to the Amazon Appstore, but the app crashes when trying to stream on a Kindle Fire HDX, which is current hardware. Oh, and it can’t even control a Mini. Feh…. way to go, TiVo… curious if anyone even tried the app once before releasing it.
Great to finally see streaming come to Android even if it does have limitations. I tried it out last night and it seemed to work ok even on my Galaxy S2. Although, I did notice that it worked better over LTE than WiFi. There appears to be a dynamic quality adjustment based upon download speed that is present when on LTE, but not on WiFi. When I was on WiFi on my S2, the video was choppy, but over LTE it was smooth since it appeared to reduce quality when LTE speed was less than what it needed.
I have to agree with Rob though. 2 years later is ridiculous. It would be nice if we could get to a point where the platform didn’t matter. It’s taken so long for TiVo to come out with a streaming app for Android that I’m actually looking for an alternative. Tablo and others look promising, but I’m also hoping Ceton or SiliconDust can come up with a CableCard tuner/DVR option that works with the Xbox One. Microsoft (since they’re still trying to catch up) would be more likely to build apps for every platform that allowed simple things like streaming/downloads. MS already has streaming of LiveTV in Europe with their Digital TV Tuner. Hopefully they’ll keep expanding the functionality so I’m no longer tied to TiVo’s slow updates to arrive on non-Apple devices.
@Bryan10024/Little Bird:
It isn’t that I expect support, but that Tivo goes out of its way to detect and prevent (for now, until Root Cloak is updated – already have a work-around on my jailbroken iOS devices) their app from running on a rooted device. I have many perfectly legitimate and valid reasons why I root my devices, and it isn’t for Tivo to decide. Copy Protection/DRM is dead, and it is sad Tivo feels like they have to bend over for Cable Labs in a futile effort to remain relevant.
As I said earlier in this thread, it is ironic that this is even still being attempted. If I am savvy enough to root, I am damn sure savvy enough to circumvent this and it is only a matter of time. Part of Tivo’s lame excuse for why it took them so long to release a streaming android client was for this very reason. It soon will be irrelevant.
The saddest thing of all is that my purposes are not even remotely nefarious. I don’t care to do anything with a stream or a download to my Android device. I just want the damn app to do what it is supposed to do, natively.
Tivo is just becoming less and less important/relevant to me as time goes on. Their UI is all that keeps them afloat. It certainly isn’t their innovative and nimble features and time to market with new tech. Hell, they can’t even keep current customers happy without screwing them over (SO GLAD I bought a lifetime on my Mini). I have a better functionality experience with either a DirecTV DVR and/or my Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust. Record, remove the commercials, convert to MP4, and then stream via Plex.
I was once probably one of their biggest supporters, but they have lost their way and my dollars with it.
TiVo has to block it as sort of a due diligence – they don’t want to ruffle any feathers or draw negatory attention that shuts it all down. I’m sure they’re fine with the technically savvy later figuring out how to circumvent it, but they can say they did their part to protect the content (that they don’t own).
“I have a better functionality experience with either a DirecTV DVR and/or my Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust
@Rob –Look TiVo is a fking DVR not a kidney. Simply sell the TiVo (they have great resale value) and get a DirectTV DVR and/or Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust.
“Record, remove the commercials, convert to MP4, and then stream via Plex.”
Problem solved!
“It isn’t that I expect support, but that Tivo goes out of its way to detect and prevent (for now, until Root Cloak is updated – already have a work-around on my jailbroken iOS devices) their app from running on a rooted device. I have many perfectly legitimate and valid reasons why I root my devices, and it isn’t for Tivo to decide.”
But, of course, it is for TiVo to decide. And were I them, I’d make the same decision.
I’ve got no problem with you rooting your devices. In fact, I applaud you. I hate all the mobile platforms because they are all so insistent on being the admin of your device.
But TiVo is a CE company that is worthless without having the rights to mediate someone’s intellectual property to customers. In other words, for TiVo to be TiVo, they need to follow the rules of the content companies.
(And I actually like the content companies, and agree with many, if not nearly all, of their rules. The only ones I hate are the MSO’s.)
So all that rigamarole puts you in an unpleasant position as a rooted mobile customer with a TiVo. But TiVo is not doing this to be malicious to you, or for some arbitrary or unfair reason. And as Bryan10024 says, there may exist better options for your edge case, especially if mobile is more important to you than the lean-back. Tech is always about trade-offs…
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@mcharkowski – I was looking at my Fire last night (which I don’t use very often) and you can now stream video without crashing – at least on the Fire HDX.
Glad to see it coming to Amazon app store as well – I use my Kindle HDX as a backup device (after iPads) so will be useful.
One report that screen mirroring to Chromecast is a go, while HDMI output is blocked:
https://twitter.com/DanJacobsen/status/516918777783795713
Unlike iOS streaming, LTE Android streaming is confirmed:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=521424
As expected, rooted devices blocked (for now):
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10258283#post10258283
App is still labeled “beta” and maybe one false positive for rooting:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=521430
Way to go, Tivo! I knew I could count on you to bring this 2 years too late, and saddled with restrictions. Thanks for finally bringing out more restrictive functionality from what I have done on Sling for years now. You are making it quite hard for me to continue to support your platform when you clearly don’t care about what your customers want. Do you really think I am going to use my rooted phone to offload a copy of a show I can torrent faster???
Amazon store, really? Wow I figured my HDX would be left out in the cold again. This is awesome news. Can’t wait to try it out tonight.
@Dave Zatz,
Will the DIAL screen mirroring you report that works with Chromecast also cast and mirror to a Roamio, since that also has DIAL support built in? Reason I ask is because I’d like to put a TiVo Stream on my Premiere XL that I have thousands of miles away outside Philly at my parents house and it would be quite cool if I could stream (and eventually download) to a tablet here and then cast it over to my local Roamio. Of course it would be better if this feature worked in iOS, for my situation.
While Android is streaming-only at launch, VP Margret Schmidt indicates downloads are on the roadmap!
https://twitter.com/tivodesign/status/517000610495733761
HarperVision, No. Even tho these things may use some of the same protocols, it’s all custom integration.
@Rob,
Do you REALLY think TiVo or any company is going to support rooted phones? And TiVo is NOT a person but if it were they would tell you that you can’t make every customer happy.
Well said Bryan. Rob is not the target customer here and TiVo is dealing with legal issues – particulary as it relates to their MSO business – that Sling had the luxury of ignoring.
They made it to the Amazon Appstore, but the app crashes when trying to stream on a Kindle Fire HDX, which is current hardware. Oh, and it can’t even control a Mini. Feh…. way to go, TiVo… curious if anyone even tried the app once before releasing it.
Great to finally see streaming come to Android even if it does have limitations. I tried it out last night and it seemed to work ok even on my Galaxy S2. Although, I did notice that it worked better over LTE than WiFi. There appears to be a dynamic quality adjustment based upon download speed that is present when on LTE, but not on WiFi. When I was on WiFi on my S2, the video was choppy, but over LTE it was smooth since it appeared to reduce quality when LTE speed was less than what it needed.
I have to agree with Rob though. 2 years later is ridiculous. It would be nice if we could get to a point where the platform didn’t matter. It’s taken so long for TiVo to come out with a streaming app for Android that I’m actually looking for an alternative. Tablo and others look promising, but I’m also hoping Ceton or SiliconDust can come up with a CableCard tuner/DVR option that works with the Xbox One. Microsoft (since they’re still trying to catch up) would be more likely to build apps for every platform that allowed simple things like streaming/downloads. MS already has streaming of LiveTV in Europe with their Digital TV Tuner. Hopefully they’ll keep expanding the functionality so I’m no longer tied to TiVo’s slow updates to arrive on non-Apple devices.
@Bryan10024/Little Bird:
It isn’t that I expect support, but that Tivo goes out of its way to detect and prevent (for now, until Root Cloak is updated – already have a work-around on my jailbroken iOS devices) their app from running on a rooted device. I have many perfectly legitimate and valid reasons why I root my devices, and it isn’t for Tivo to decide. Copy Protection/DRM is dead, and it is sad Tivo feels like they have to bend over for Cable Labs in a futile effort to remain relevant.
As I said earlier in this thread, it is ironic that this is even still being attempted. If I am savvy enough to root, I am damn sure savvy enough to circumvent this and it is only a matter of time. Part of Tivo’s lame excuse for why it took them so long to release a streaming android client was for this very reason. It soon will be irrelevant.
The saddest thing of all is that my purposes are not even remotely nefarious. I don’t care to do anything with a stream or a download to my Android device. I just want the damn app to do what it is supposed to do, natively.
Tivo is just becoming less and less important/relevant to me as time goes on. Their UI is all that keeps them afloat. It certainly isn’t their innovative and nimble features and time to market with new tech. Hell, they can’t even keep current customers happy without screwing them over (SO GLAD I bought a lifetime on my Mini). I have a better functionality experience with either a DirecTV DVR and/or my Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust. Record, remove the commercials, convert to MP4, and then stream via Plex.
I was once probably one of their biggest supporters, but they have lost their way and my dollars with it.
TiVo has to block it as sort of a due diligence – they don’t want to ruffle any feathers or draw negatory attention that shuts it all down. I’m sure they’re fine with the technically savvy later figuring out how to circumvent it, but they can say they did their part to protect the content (that they don’t own).
“I have a better functionality experience with either a DirecTV DVR and/or my Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust
@Rob –Look TiVo is a fking DVR not a kidney. Simply sell the TiVo (they have great resale value) and get a DirectTV DVR and/or Windows Media Center PC with Ceton & Silicon Dust.
“Record, remove the commercials, convert to MP4, and then stream via Plex.”
Problem solved!
“It isn’t that I expect support, but that Tivo goes out of its way to detect and prevent (for now, until Root Cloak is updated – already have a work-around on my jailbroken iOS devices) their app from running on a rooted device. I have many perfectly legitimate and valid reasons why I root my devices, and it isn’t for Tivo to decide.”
But, of course, it is for TiVo to decide. And were I them, I’d make the same decision.
I’ve got no problem with you rooting your devices. In fact, I applaud you. I hate all the mobile platforms because they are all so insistent on being the admin of your device.
But TiVo is a CE company that is worthless without having the rights to mediate someone’s intellectual property to customers. In other words, for TiVo to be TiVo, they need to follow the rules of the content companies.
(And I actually like the content companies, and agree with many, if not nearly all, of their rules. The only ones I hate are the MSO’s.)
So all that rigamarole puts you in an unpleasant position as a rooted mobile customer with a TiVo. But TiVo is not doing this to be malicious to you, or for some arbitrary or unfair reason. And as Bryan10024 says, there may exist better options for your edge case, especially if mobile is more important to you than the lean-back. Tech is always about trade-offs…
If you suffer from insomnia, you can help yourself get to sleep faster by establishing good bedtime routines. Steer clear of having any caffeinated liquids following 6: 00 pm. It will let your body to rid again of the caffeinated drinks and help you fall into deep sleep more quickly. Enjoy caffeine intake cost-free liquids all over the nighttime.
@mcharkowski – I was looking at my Fire last night (which I don’t use very often) and you can now stream video without crashing – at least on the Fire HDX.